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May 2, 2018


2018 Workshop 4: The Seven Kinds Of Business Block

with Orna Ross


This month we learn about creative block in:

The Seven Kinds Of Business Block

Everyone knows all about writer’s block but creative block is more common in money and business growth than any other arena.

Perhaps that’s not surprising in a world that keeps the creative and the commercial so firmly apart.

This workshop brings them together.

It begins by identifying the seven kinds of business block, brings you through an exercise that will help you establish which one is yours, and shows how you don’t defeat block, you dissolve it, by tapping your own innate creative flow and applying it to money and business.

Once you’ve got financial flow moving, you’ll be in the right place to avail of business advice… and increase your income and influence, the creative way.

Hello and welcome. This is my 1st Facebook live presentation so I’m hoping you can hear me and that all is going well and perhaps you will indicate that that is so. This evening this is one of the regular workshops that I have been doing since the beginning of the year and a number of you, I know, have been attending those and we have used WebinarJam up to now. And for the first time we are using Facebook live.

So hi Debbie, hi Janet, delighted you’re here and Wendy, great to see you and I was just saying this is a new adventure trying out Facebook live for the workshop, hoping it would be easier for people to join and to catch up with it later than it has been with WebinarJam where there’s been lots of difficult kind of problems. So Janet I am hoping that you will be able to also do your usual helping out which will be brilliant.

So people are coming in joining, hi to you all. I’m going to just talk a little bit about what we’re going to be doing and so it is first of all, a little bit about me. Hi Marie, thanks for joining us and hi Janet, two Janets on board this evening. It would be great if you let us know where you’re coming in from also, I was able to see that in Webinarjam but can’t see it here where you’re coming from, presume, as usual, we have people in from all around the world so yes, just going to talk a little bit about today about business block but before I get into the that I will just start off by talking a little bit about me and then a little bit about who this workshop is aimed at.

So I am Orna Ross, I think most people are in the room know me already, I know you guys, most of you and hi to Nick in North Carolina, that’s a new attendee I think, so yeah I’m director of the Alliance of Independent Authors, I know a number of you know me from that and I’m also director of the Creativist Club. ALLi, as we call the Alliance is for indie authors, people who are interested in and self publishing a book but more importantly than that have a mindset around independent publishing. And Hi Allison.

And yes the Creativist Club on the other hand is very much focused on creative entrepreneurship and it has members that are authors, yes, but also artists and yogis and various other kinds of people, people who are interested in running what I call a passion powered business and I’ll talk a little bit more about that in a minute. I also write novels, mostly literary historical fiction which take me a lot of research and a lot of delving into to write and I write poetry, usually inspirational type stuff or haiku and most importantly I guess I am an advocate for indie authors and for creative entrepreneurship and more recently which is really important to me so and yeah, you then, you will be a creativepreneur of some kind, I am assuming, which in my definition doesn’t just mean that you are employed in what is traditionally called the Creative Arts. You might also be a coach or a counselor or a healer, an educator, lots of examples there, an activist, maybe changemaker.

Essentially a digital mover or shaker or maker is is how I think of it and it was, I think I mentioned this the last workshop we were talking about, it was Kimberly one of our members who made me realize that coaches, counsellors, people who are working out in the digital space in the way that are very, very similar to authors and artists in that they are working from their passion and that always creates a certain way of working, a certain way of thinking about business that is very different from a business that is mainly profit motivated me.

We, too, are profit motivated of course, but the passion, the mission, the purpose, these things are really important to us, perhaps more important than money, though I don’t, I would argue very much and very much what these workshops are about is that you don’t have to make the choice, it’s not either or, it is both. So that’s the kind of people that it’s for and they are the kind of people who are in the Creativist Club and along with these workshops there is the invitation to join that club but there are lots of other ways to join in too.

OK, so this month we’re going to be talking particularly about business block. Hi Julie, good to see you, you made it and I hope it was easy to find. The idea of doing this workshop on Facebook Live this time, trying out that platform was that it would be easier to find so hopefully it was. I see James saying “Found it” as it was a bit of a struggle, was it, James? Let me know because what I want to do is try to make it as easy for people to to join and have access as possible. OK.

So, business block, what am I talking about? Well, everybody knows about writer’s block, people talk about as a lot on the Internet, on Facebook, here on Facebook. I think most days writers are on talking about “Why am I not writing? Why am I blocked around writing?” And so we’re familiar with but actually I would argue that business block is a far more pervasive thing in our community and so just to quickly run through what we’ve been talking about.

First of all, I talk a little bit about what I mean by that and then I’m going to talk about the various ways in which it can show up and we look at, you know, what they are, you may find that more than one of them, you know, is applicable to you so hopefully you have pen and paper at the ready.

If you don’t have pen and paper at the ready perhaps you just go and get some. There is no download or anything for this workshop and just simple a free writing on pen and paper is going to do for this. OK link to the web page needs to be on the Facebook app, didn’t realize I had to click on videos. OK. Looks like I am going to have to work this out a bit better for the next time.

So, yeah, I will gather in your experiences afterwards and make sure that I give instructions next time out. I thought Facebook was going to actually make this easy and do the alert for me. Anyway some of you are there, Marie-Claire thinks she’s going to have to leave, struggling to get it to stabilize. I’ll be interested to hear more about that after it’s hopefully, actually, if you turn off other things that are drawing on your internet and signal that might be the problem but he workshop will be available afterwards. So hopefully you’ll be able to tap into it then.

OK, so yeah, what is business block. Let’s talk about that first of all. So, what I’m talking about is the fact that as writers, as artists, as yogis, as meditation coaches, counsellors, whatever it is that we do, the thing that we love to do we find ourselves in business. The second, for example, we become a self published author and we put a book up on Amazon. There we are, we’re in business but very often we take that move without fully realizing that that’s what we’ve done. Or, if we are in business we kind of resist it.

We find a lot of business talk, perhaps it’s too mechanical, it doesn’t really speak to us. The leave a lot of us struggling and while, you know, we’re there, we are in business, perhaps we fell in by default, perhaps we chose it but having got that far we find that we’re struggling. We are not finding that it comes automatically to us and it shouldn’t, why should it but somehow when we start off we think it will and we think our passion is enough, it will carry us along. We think if we work hard enough at what we do that sooner or later somebody is going to notice and we will make money from it and so on.

So we’ve got all sorts of different kinds of ways of thinking about ourselves as business people that kind of gets in the way so really, we’re being weighed down and this workshop is about lightening up, it’s about letting go of some of these blocks but before we can let go we have to kind of understand what they are and it’s all very mixed up, so we have a lot of, we call them A, B, C, D, E, F, G’s so attitudes, beliefs, concepts, denials, expectations, fears and guilts around business and they can present in all sorts of different ways but essentially they create a FUG, F-U-G, fear, uncertainty and guilt around money can create a great deal of barrier between us and just getting on with it. It uses up a lot of creative energy.

So understanding the ways in which you are blocked is the first step and we’ll build on this workshop next time out and the time after to get beyond this but today is very much about really identifying it and beginning to think about how we are going to get beyond it.

So, yeah, let’s look at the first type of block that can show up for us. So first of all and mos simply, I suppose, what can happen is we don’t actually know what kind of business we want to create and by that, I don’t, that sounds, it’s too obvious but it really does happen an awful lot more than we might imagine and OK, it can be as simple as “I don’t actually, you know, I know that I want to run a passion based business, I know that I want to do something I care about, I don’t want to just do the profit thing but I haven’t got a clue what I want to do.” That would be the simplest kind but not knowing can kind of show up in different ways as well, so for example, you could be a self publishing author but you don’t actually know what your business model is.

Similarly, you could be an artist, a coach or whatever and not know how to frame it in a way that you can offer the value to people who will value it and so it’s not enough to just know what kind of business you want to be in or want to create, you have to understand it as a business, not just as producing the products, producing the services and we talked over the last couple of months about the three hats that you need to wear when you decide to go in to creative business, one of them being the crafter hat and one of them being the director hat and one of them being the entrepreneur hat and those three being, balance between those three being necessary for creative success in business. And so knowing what business you want to create also means having some idea of the business model that you want to have for that.

Now, where have we gone? Sorry. I am losing track here. So, OK, Marie has reduced her screen size so if others are having problems around it not being very stable might be a useful thing to do. Rita has made it, hi Rita, delighted to see you here. OK, she’s trying to make things happen and hopefully we’ll get there.

OK, so next type of block that we can have is the type of person who can’t get started. So, you know what you want to do, maybe you’ve always known, but you can’t seem to get it going. And for some, this is a real problem so while they are actually, you know, absolutely certain what they want to do they find that they’re reading lots of programs about it and ways in which they could approach it or and they are talking about doing it to everyone who will listen. They are reading about it, going to conferences maybe and it’s not just a small business thing this and it’s not just about, you know, you could be well along and find that this hits you so it’s in a bigger business it’s called the knowing/doing gap and it’s identified as a problem there too.

So you get companies who study all kinds of ways to improve and send their teams off on seminars and training days, hire consultants do programs but when it comes to actually implementing all the knowledge it doesn’t happen. And very often for a solo creativepreneur, the kind of people we’re talking about, there’s a gap between, they look around at what others are doing and just see a big gap between their own energy, their own ingenuity, their own creativity and the people that they perceive to be a success, so pens to the ready and if you just take a moment or two, do you have difficulty ever in getting something started? Do you know that there’s something you want to do but somehow you’re not getting around to it? Just going to take 2 minutes on each of these, just very quickly making notes. Do you look at others and see a gap between what they’re doing and what you’re doing, things that they want to do that you would and things that they are doing and that you would like to be doing?

So just write it down quickly, all you need to do in this workshop is just note what’s happening. You don’t need to come up with solutions, just note that it’s happening and also note that, don’t believe that if it isn’t coming easily for you that you’re doing something wrong necessarily or have made a mistake about what you should be doing or that you haven’t got what it takes or any of those things that your critical voice is possibly telling you or maybe even other people are telling you, there are many creative reasons why you can’t get started and that’s what we’ll be looking at next time but for today, just make quick notes as to any time or any place where you have experienced this phenomenon.

OK and if you find you have more to say on that you can do some free writing around any of the things that are coming up for you in the workshop later on. Freewriting, for those of you who don’t know me and haven’t been to a workshop before, is writing fast, writing raw, writing exact and easy. So when I ask you to make notes on this, you don’t think, you just write, just write whatever comes to your mind as fast as you can and keep writing during the silence until we get on to talking again.

OK, so Type 3 is struggling, essentially. So, you’ve made a start. There is this gap between where you are and where you want to be. If you made a good start, you might have beginner’s luck, you could have done quite well but then comes a sort of dawning realizations that there is quite a gap between where you are and where you want to be, and oh dear, there’s an awful lot of work to be done and usually the struggler finds that they’re all overworked and underpaid, too busy and but not having the impact they believe they should be having.

Everything, it’s the struggler, so everything feels like a struggle and again, very often people have the information, they’ve done the work, you know, in the sense of having read blogs and books and being busy, done coaching courses, maybe called in the consultants even, yet still feeling either blocked or confused and has an awful lot to be done so at a business level there are reasons, it could be something like your sales or your follow up process is shaky or you’re not tracking your metrics, maybe your resources are not allocated properly but what we’re interested in here is what lies beneath that there is a deeper sort of creative reason there as well.

Sometimes people are waiting for a divine spark and sometimes, very often, there is this belief in the virtue of hard work. If hard work created financial success then the women of Africa would be coming down in money, so hard work itself is not it. What we’re looking at is creative work, rest and play also but for now, just take a note. Is this you? Are you struggling? Are you having the impact you want to have? Are you having influence you want to have? Do you have the income you want to have? If not, why not? Quick notes, write free, fast!

HI to Ronna and Alexa, thanks for dropping in. We’re just on Type 3 of the 7 ways in which creative block shows up and people are just making a note of ways in which they may struggle within their business so if you just want to do that and join us and.

Okay, so the fourth way in which block can show up is that everything goes along great, you have worked out what you want do, you have got started on a project or a campaign, you’ve taken it all the way through the 7 stages of process, it was a success and you’re very proud of yourself or at least you’re proud that you finished it, maybe it wasn’t as good as you hoped but you learned a lot and you’re still learning for next time, except next time isn’t happening.

So you can’t seem to go again and you fear maybe that it’s over for you. Hi Kathy, thanks for joining us and we are talking about the 7 kinds of creative block and we’re onto number 4 now. This is where somehow, for some reason, it fizzles out and again, here, I’m talking particularly about business. So you might be producing goods and services but from a business perspective, it isn’t happening. Or it may be that suddenly you can’t produce any goods or services anymore, you can’t, you don’t know why but you can actually reach out beyond yourself.

One of the best examples of this is Ralph Ellison who wrote Invisible Man. I don’t know if any of you are familiar with the book. It was a really important African-American novel and it won all sorts of awards in the U.S. National Book Award and various others I can’t even recall now. And it came out in 52, 1952. Ellison died in 1994. He spent every year between 52 and 94 working on the book. He had something like 2000 and pages of notes, he knew he was blocked and it was really painful for him and he wrote in great detail about it. But all the time he was claiming the book is nearly finished, it’s nearly finished, it’s nearly finished and it wasn’t until he died that somebody actually got it together.

Now that’s obviously an extreme example but what’s interesting about those examples is he clearly knew enough about how to write to win these massive awards, he also knew how to get it to market. He had a publisher waiting and so he had his structure in place but none of that was the source of the trouble, none of that was able to help him. You can be further along the line and find that this hits you and there could be reasons for it that are to do with failure, getting burned and so on and Judy’s asking, still on type, oh she’s telling me I’m still on type 3 side, OK, on mine it says type 4, thank you, Julie. Yes, I’ve got two screens here. Thank you, yes, type 4.

So yeah just saying there it can be because you got burned maybe, your first one didn’t work as well unlike Ellison or something happened along the way where you had a failure of just hurt hard and you find it hard to overcome it but it’s rarely something that obvious. It’s usually a little bit hidden, maybe conditions have changed, maybe there are family reasons, it could be all sorts of things but often too it could be just that your creative intention was to get to a certain point and you haven’t revisited and put in a new intention, so just getting started with us are as you’ve ever looked at or getting to the point where you’ve got was as far as you’ve ever imagined and you need to kind of throw the imagination out again.

So, type 4 then, fizzled out. Have you fizzled out on anything you want to be doing? Have you been told you’re a one-hit wonder. The good thing about being here, rather than in some of the earlier stages that we talked about is that you know you have the skills, if you’ve done this once, you can do it again. That’s a good thing but once it can also make it even more troubling to find that you can’t reach to where you want to go. So just 2 minutes to make notes on fizzling out anywhere where the energy just isn’t rising.

OK the more experienced among you may find that we’re now getting more into where you might be. The 5th issue that can arise is that you are producing, you’re turning stuff out but again, it isn’t having the impact or influence that you want or expect and the reason being this one is because your actual products or services that you are making are weak, are incomplete.

So again it’s not usually a work issue here, it’s, you could in fact be driving yourself a fierce pace and you know, pushing stuff out at a great rate but it’s not developed enough and I’m not talking here about kind of the inevitable disjunction that we all feel between the work we’ve produced and how it compares to the vision we hold in our heads. I know I’ve quoted Iris Murdoch before because I love this quote. “Every book is the wreck, the perfect idea.”

You know, this gap between the perfect imagining and what we actually managed to get out there. Well, every business is like that too. There’s always a gap. It’s never ideal and that’s really important to know and to note but we can be happy and thriving within that perfect imperfection if you want to call it and you know, you’re getting on, you’re rich and you’re rich in ideas, rich in everything and you’re feeling good, that’s a different thing than what I’m talking about here.

What I’m talking about here is painful. You know that you’re not achieving what you could be given your talents, given your resources, given the amount of work that you’re doing and given your creative intentions, there’s a gap between that isn’t being bridged. Something else is at play here and it isn’t to do with work, it perhaps lies in your own way of working, but that’s much more generally about what I’m talking about here is process.

There’s some part of the process where you’re not going deep enough, not opening up enough, could be a laziness of spirit maybe, or body, or mind and it’s often, in fact, experienced by those who are working too hard, there isn’t enough rest, there isn’t enough play, there isn’t enough balance in the mix and that is affecting the actual product or service that you’re offering and or how you’re offering it within the business.

You don’t have the time, the space, creative energy to actually get things moving and flowing and in the way that you want to. Sometimes you might be second guessing the market or people pleasing, a great one among those creative types and or copying others and again I’m not talking about the creative stealing that goes on inevitably in any creative endeavor, but I’m talking about that kind of a slavish copying because you don’t know what else to do.

The signs here are the lack of money flow, that sort of feeling of unrest when you think about your business, maybe poor reviews, friends or fans not giving positive feedback. Again, this is a creative shortfall and we’ll look more in depth next time and next month at how we handle all of these but again the first step is to clearly identify, so just casting your mind over the products and services that you’ve been producing over the last while. And the business model or the business framework or the business within which you are locating them, just very quickly write down the ways in which you feel these might be underdeveloped.

OK, number 6 then is the stop-start syndrome. So you’re productive, and when you produce you produce well, so it isn’t like before you feel that things are a little thin or incomplete or weak. You’re happy with your production but the production is interspersed with very long stretches of not producing so well or days where very, very little gets done repeatedly.

We all have days where it seems like nothing got done but you know, day after day of long sort of dry spell. And maybe you’re in the middle of a dry spell right now and if you are, it feels very painful, it’s horrible or maybe you’re producing well now but you’re already dreading the knowledge that this is going to stop, that you’re not going to be able to keep it going.

The other thing that can happen is that you kind of crash and burn regularly in your life so, you know, you go really well but you work in very intense pace and then it all falls away and you have to recover, maybe you get ill, you’re forced into downtime, so then you need to spend a lot of time recovering, getting back up and when you do get back up, sooner or later you get back into that over-busy, over productive place and again, boom.

Now, I’m not talking about the natural ebb and flow. We spoke a little bit about ebb last time. Any of you who have listened regularly will know that I think creative ebb is as important as creative flow. It’s the natural response, like breathing out to breathing in but I’m not talking about natural down time or good creative rest, not at all. You will experience it not as replenishing but as exhaustion or procrastination or indolence, just a sense of flatness.

And I often find with stop starters that there is a superstition around, so creatives are famous for being superstitious of course, Hemingway used to sharpen 20 pencils before he sat down to write, he couldn’t write unless he did that, just could not write unless he did that. Stravinsky, every single morning, and Bach fugue, same one, couldn’t compose if he didn’t. And we all, well, lots of us have these kinds of rituals. But superstition is a slightly different thing, superstition for a creative kind of confuses outcome and cause, so can’t write if I don’t sharpen pencils, you know and when that is taken to a certain place it can actually be a major creative block.

So, just a moment or two to think again about what I was talking about there, this stop-start motion. Do you see it in your life? Do you see it in your creative day? Do you experience at all? Can you remember a time where this happened? Is this happening now or is your rhythm something that you’re really happy with? Again, just take a few moments to make a note.

OK and our final type 7 the wrong-footed. This is when you find, well, the most obvious one is when you’re just in the wrong place. If you’re in the wrong business sector, or you’re in the wrong part of the sector or you set up your business model in the wrong way, it doesn’t suit you. So I was talking to somebody yesterday who had spend 6 months essentially setting up affiliate marketing on their website and it became clear in the course of the conversation that that was the wrong decision, that they were never going to be able to feel good about affiliate marketing and that they didn’t even fully understand what was needed and also, you know, when they talked about it, understanding it wasn’t going to help.

It just wasn’t right for them so it was an unpicking of that and an understanding that in fact they were already doing content marketing in a really brilliant way and could extend and expand that. A real sense of relief dropping what was wrong so it’s easy, it’s easy, it’s not easy, all of these are emotionally painful conditions but it’s easy to see, easier to see when you’re just in the wrong area and you know, “I hate my work.” Yeah, OK, and you can actually, funnily enough, find that you go to great lengths to get work that you don’t like out of hat and out of the FUG we were talking about earlier, just conditions internal that we’re not aware of.

But a more common, not more common necessarily but more subtle thing that arises with creatives is the shadow career, shadow business. So people who are working roughly in the area they want to be in but not doing the thing they want to do because it feels more risky or because they really, really want it and there’s something about what we really, really want that always scares us. So perhaps you’re editing, for example, instead of what you really want to do is write and or you’re in arts administration but you really want to be an actor or you go into government lobbying instead of the type of grassroots activism that you want to be involved in.

A common cause is that we don’t trust the thing we really love to do at some level we don’t we don’t feel that we can have it and money too so we think we have to do this for money, if we do what we really, really love somewhat separately. We can be drawn in by rewards from things that we don’t like as much, the obvious money or prestige or power or whatever, but it doesn’t sit well on us and what happens is you wind up at a place where you’ve very little satisfaction in the tasks that you’re doing and the skills that they require and in the value of the work that you’re doing beyond the money that it’s bringing you and you know, if you choose something because it has good financial outcome, you get that good financial outcome but you don’t get the other things that you need and you can have the good financial outcome and the thing you love as well. It’s just that you maybe don’t believe that you can have that.

So just a couple of moments then again to look at that. Are you, in any way, it doesn’t have to be completely, it can just be completely, it can just be in a part of what you’re doing or it may be completely, are you in any way in the wrong work or are you doing the wrong niche, sometimes, you know, we choose the work well but then we decide to address it to a niche of people who will be more likely to be able to pay us, for example, or, you know, we just choose them for some reason, not because they’re the people we really want to work with, you know, again, we maybe find that too scary to do so it could be the wrong niche, not the wrong work necessarily or the wrong business or have you created a shadow business? Have you put all your time and effort into building something up when what you really want to do is something else? So just take a moment or two to make quick notes around this.

OK. So they are the syndromes and as I said in our next workshop next month we are going to look in detail at how these are approached, and dissolved the creative way and how you can get beyond it, find the right business model, the right niche and the right way to set things up for yourself but just to conclude today, just to talk a little bit in general terms of how these things are examined and the approach that we take when we talk about going creative, when we talk about curing these things in a creative way.

So there would be a conventional and business like strategic approaches to some of these but what I feel is far more effective and works far better for creative type people, people who are engaged with a mission or a passion is to approach it from a creative perspective.

And first of all, that means thinking about what is it to be creative in your business? What does it look like for you? You need to begin to engage with at as a possibility and as a concept, so very often we’re highly creative in our actual products, in our projects, in our campaigns and you know, in the things we do but at the business level, at the level of earning money, how creative are you around that? How creative do you allow yourself to be? Do you mentally keep creative and commercial miles apart in your mind? Do you see them as enemies? What is your family history on stuff like that?

And the second thing you need to do is you need to understand how a successful creativepreneur actually functions and goes about their day. So it’s one thing to be a creative, it’s one thing to be a business person, to bring those two together requires certain principles that are universal across everybody. Yes, it very often looks very different on the outside depending on who you’re looking at and how they go about things but underneath that there are basic core principles that everybody shares and we will talk about those next month.

So you need to get an understanding of how such, how people who do what you want to do at the level that you want to do, what their day looks like and how it compares to yours? What their household affairs look like, their relationships and you need to set up, at a personal level, really begin to think about how you arrange your relationships, your time and of course, your own mind, body and spirit, your own work, rest and place so they feed this creative intention of yours, so that they help you instead of hindering you so very often we say we want certain things but we set up our life to go in quite a different direction.

Or our life is carrying over ways of being, both in terms of our relationship to time, to space and to the, you know, our loved ones, the people around us. We haven’t sorted out what we need to sort out in order for us to do what we want to do, in order for us to fulfill the creative intention that we have around the business or would like to have but haven’t actually put that in place.

So we can think about it a lot, we can talk about it a lot but the only thing that counts here is action, having actually done it and made it happen. And then at the business levels, that was kind of like at the personal level of what needs to happen, at the business level, we’re talking about designing a business structure and a business model and a business set up. Number one actually has success built into it because some people are working very hard on models that are never going to work.

They’re never going to actually deliver the intentions have been put around them, so and secondly that it really suits you, that it works, it is you-shaped, it works in the way that you need it to work and it aligns with your way of doing things. And then you need to understand assets. What it is to build creative digital assets and also processes, the processes within the business, how they feed what happens and every, every creative has a creative process which they bring, again, to the making of the products, or the making of the services but don’t think about the process as it happens within the business side of things and how creative and how fun all that can be if you drop the conventional ways of doing things that you’re told you have to do and actually look at processes that suit you because digital allows us to reinvent a huge amount of what has been done in the past and we are pioneers, we’re actually making these things happen, we’re, tools are being invented right around us by people like us who understands that our needs are very different from conventional business.

So again, we look more closely at that next time and there will be worksheets to fill out which will actually help you to understand your own asset building and your own internal processes and how to implement them, how you best implement them while retaining a creative perspective. So before I let you go, you’ve been very patient and stayed here a very long time. If anybody has any questions that you want to put into the comment box please feel free, I can answer them now or if there is any comment or anything, maybe you’re all gone. If there is anything you’d like to say, otherwise we will regroup again and next month on the 1st Tuesday of the month.

Thank you for all the loves and likes, that’s great. OK, so I’m going to take it that everything is clear. If you want to, great, Debbi liked the free writing, free writing is miraculous. It’s just marvelous. It’s actually one of the cores processes without it it just can’t, it just doesn’t work, so, yeah and if any of you have any questions or anything that I can help with, just drop me a line on the info@ornaross.com and yes, having time to write down the questions, lots of food for thought. Good.

And next month we’ll be looking much more at solutions for how we get beyond the various forms of blockers, so yeah, any questions that you want PM me, write info@ornaross.com. If you want to make a public. comment you can do that here on the event or on the guest book atn ornaross.com. Thank you for bearing with us, I’ll do some research into seeing how we felt about this platform and how it compared to the other one and we’ll keep going until we get a platform that we love but hopefully that was of some help to you and thanks for being here. Talk to you again soon. Bye bye.